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2009 - "since 1925, jehovah's witnesses have recognized that world war i and the events that followed amount to sure evidence that christ's presence in heavenly kingdom power began in 1914" (w.09, 3/15, p.16).
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2009 - "Since 1925, Jehovah's Witnesses have recognized that World War I and the events that followed amount to sure evidence that Christ's presence in heavenly kingdom power began in 1914" (w.09, 3/15, p.16)
Here is the often referenced article from 1925. Examine for yourself.
70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
The 70 years does NOT apply to Jerusalem and the temple. The 70 years applies to Babylon and is the length of time it would be the dominant world power. You can see this clearly in the prophecy of Jeremiah where he discusses how all the nations (plural) in that region would be dominated by Babylon:
“Therefore this is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘“For the reason that YOU did not obey my words, here I am sending and I will take all the families of the north,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even [sending] to Neb·u·chad·rez´zar the king of Babylon, my servant, and I will bring them against this land and against its inhabitants and against all these nations round about; and I will devote them to destruction and make them an object of astonishment and something to whistle at and places devastated to time indefinite. And I will destroy out of them the sound of exultation and the sound of rejoicing, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the sound of the hand mill and the light of the lamp. And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.”’ - Jeremiah 25: 8-11
Furthermore, even the Society confirms this in their own writings! --
“Isaiah goes on to prophesy: "It must occur in that day that Tyre must be forgotten seventy years, the same as the days of one king." (Isaiah 23:15a ) Following the destruction of the mainland city by the Babylonians, the island-city of Tyre will "be forgotten." True to the prophecy, for the duration of "one king"—the Babylonian Empire—the island-city of Tyre will not be an important financial power. Jehovah, through Jeremiah, includes Tyre among the nations that will be singled out to drink the wine of His rage. He says: "These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years." (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination—when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above "the stars of God." (Isaiah 14:13) Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.” – Isaiah’s Prophecy I, p. 253
The bible and the secular records match. The twisting of logic and scripture originates with the Society's need to maintain this flawed chronology that was developed in the 1820's. Without 607 BCE, 1914 falls as does their 1919 date of appointment as the "faithful and discreet slave". The entire authority of the organization hangs on the thread of 607 BCE.
i went today because i wanted to hear the comments on this wt article.. it did not disappoint.
one comment that summed things up:.
"i know i can trust the slave because everything i have ever read from the slave has been for my benefit.
I went today because I wanted to hear the comments on this WT article.
It did not disappoint. One comment that summed things up:
"I know I can trust the slave because everything I have ever read from the slave has been for my benefit. I can always trust what the slave says, because I know that Jehovah and Jesus are behind the slave class."
How about your congregation?
They could also do what they have done in the past. When they longer wanted to support 1874, they just moved everything up to 1914. Then they found or created events within the history of the Society to prove the fulfillment of bible prophecy.
Now, they could eventually abandon 1914 and move everything up 20 years to 1934 to support the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BCE.
After listening to the comments of the loyal Witnesses today at the meeting, proclaiming their undying, unconditional support for the "Slave" and its Governing Body, I am sure they can get away with this.
New light can accomplish anything!
iv) believe that jesus christ is mediator for "the faithful and discreet slave".
today, that "slave" is represented by the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
5. elders.
Excellent summary!
this one has an important article on the faithful steward and the governing body.
cannot find one anywhere.... .
thank you in advance!.
Ynot's point is well taken. The WT point here, and elsewhere about the GB, is the equivalent of the scribes in Jesus day quoting other dead scribes for their authority. Just because congregation procedure has been handled a certain way for a long time does not bolster any related claim, or make it more scriptural. Just like when you see them say "as this journal has pointed out for many years..." to bolster their credibility for their latest power grab.
the official wt stance is that these horsemen began their ride in 1914.. at the time i began my "bible study" with the jw's, i bought into that with all the zeal of an old testament prophet.. however, i submit if those horsemen set out in 1914, they either lost their way and vanished, or the horses ditched their riders and returned to their stables.. what say you?.
sylvia.
It is true that the Horseman and the events since 1914 do not match. Try looking at Revelation as being written before 70CE and applying to the last days of the Jewish system of things and it makes a lot more sense.
if his message was to be followed like a rule book, wouldn't he have written down some things with his own hand?.
It would put him in the same boat as many other so-called prophets who claimed to have a divine revelation and then started a religion. The only record is from eye-witnesses, assuming you have faith in these things
is anybody else courious about this discussion.
it seems as though they hide the fact that it is about the governing body up until the end when it says that they represent the fds.
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This article is part of the "gradualism" of the GB. Take the main points and add them to the June 15 article ("The Faithful Steward and its Governing Body" being discussed in a number of places on this site) and it becomes clear that they are moving toward the "clarification" that the GB is what is really is: the faithful slave.
Of course, this would mean that a rhetorical question in the midst of a parable, is the greatest greatest prophecy in the bible -- only by understanding Jesus riddle can we obtain organizational salvation.
for forthcoming witchtower articles, i'm looking for two scans.
1) the convention announcement in the june 2009 awake!
(english version of that page).
An english version of the Informant article.
